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RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[Open Round 2 Board 1 - Yuan Zhou 7d (w) vs Dae Hyuk Ko 7d (b)]PW[Yuan Zhou]PB[Dae Hyuk (Daniel) Ko]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2011-08-01]EV[2011 US Open]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[evanj [3d\]: This will be a very good and very slow game.
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the AGA E-Journal's live coverage of the 2011 US Open taking place at the US Go Congress in Santa Barbara, CA.  This is round 2, board 1.  I'm Dennis Wheeler, your game recorder this morning.
USGO1 [-\]: 011 US Open pairings can be found online at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/102 . Check back for updated pairings, results and game records throughout the week.
coarray [-\]: where is Jie Li?
USGO1 [-\]: Games are starting. Yuan is at the table, but we're waiting for Danny
Hollumber [2k\]: is there a live streaming?
ChipMonk [1k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
sensemaker [4d\]: hi Dennis Wheeler
Suspended [6k\]: where is Murugandi? ;(
mithoo [9k?\]: 4 hour game
sasa264 [13k\]: What is Murugandi's name?
Suspended [6k\]: Kim Ouweleen?
Suspended [6k\]: Or smth like that
ManOfLOL [5k\]: cool hajin lee :D
lilomar [9k\]: pretty stone bowl...
Ruutana [?\]: Hmmm, got to run to buy some beer before these games start...
lilomar [9k\]: yay!
lilomar [9k\]: Danny's here
]RE[B+Resign]BW[7d]WB[7d]
;B[pq]
;W[qd]
;B[oc]
;W[dd]C[andg99 [?\]: Mr. Zhou is the author of book series?
]
;B[dp]C[SunnyD [3d\]: KOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!1
evanj [3d\]: Yes, andg
greenkite [3k\]: ))
andg99 [?\]: ok, think he's 3p
guest003 [-\]: we saw you on tv dennis, thx for the relay
evanj [3d\]: no he's not
evanj [3d\]: he is an amateur
SunnyD [3d\]: I think Ko is 1p
]
;W[po]C[evanj [3d\]: maybe you're thinking of someone else, but Yuan Zhou has also written a couple small books
USAsia: is this board 1?
andg99 [?\]: Style of Takemiya etc
]
;B[qo]C[evanj [3d\]: yes, that's him; but he's not a pro
]
;W[qn]
;B[qp]
;W[mc]C[guest003 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US   the image gets rather blurry with a moving camera
SunnyD [3d\]: Q15
]
;B[pn]C[SunnyD [3d\]: P16
USAsia: r7 
Sandpiper [6k\]: Aren't there tripods for the live streaming?
rubicon [1d\]: why not r7 p6 q9 ?
evanj [3d\]: apparently not, sandpiper
evanj [3d\]: this is the blair witch congress
USAsia: p16 leaves aji
USAsia: br7 is huge
HandA [2d\]: who is the strongest player?
SunnyD [3d\]: yoda norimoto is 300lbs, he is fairly strong
]
;W[od]
;B[pd]C[SunnyD [3d\]: Move 11 SunnyD [3d\]: P16
ManOfLOL [5k\]: yoda norimoto doesnt look nice at all
USGO1 [-\]: Danny has an AGA rating of 8.8, whereas Yuan's rating is only 7.6
rubicon [1d\]: congrats, sunny, here's a cookie
evanj [3d\]: he looks like a badass in the wikipedia picture
ManOfLOL [5k\]: he can tear someone apart
]
;W[pe]
;B[pc]
;W[nd]
;B[qc]
;W[re]
;B[rc]C[rubicon [1d\]: w just wanted sente
compendium [?\]: yoda doesnt seem to have a wiki picture
rubicon [1d\]: so he could play r7
]
;W[qm]C[rubicon [1d\]: compendium, he means at sensei's library
]
;B[on]C[billy504 [6k\]: yea
evanj [3d\]: sorry, yes, i did mean that; thought it was wikipedia when i just glacned at the page
]
;W[qj]C[Sandpiper [6k\]: Yuan Zhou also has books for the iphone, look up the "Go Books" app 
TheClown [2d\]: votes for k3?
]
;B[jp]C[compendium [?\]: k4
evanj [3d\]: he is a great guy, used to teach me when i was starting out
]
;W[cn]C[TheClown [2d\]: almost
evanj [3d\]: k3 wouldn't have worked with p6
Sandpiper [6k\]: yes, he is pretty cool guy
HandA [2d\]: kinda sad when we have to view offline to rewatch
TheClown [2d\]: i think it be normal
TheClown [2d\]: c8 be my guess
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan reaches out and straightens a couple of stones on the board
]
;B[dl]C[planar [?\]: Is he allowed to do than on his opponent's turn ?
LeT63 [-\]: good question
ToStrong4u [1k\]: apparently so though ^^
evanj [3d\]: huh, this move never would have occurred to me here
ranin19 [10k\]: f6
ranin19 [10k\]: f6
TheClown [2d\]: c3
TheClown [2d\]: i am c3 man
Joa [2k\]: e6
guest998: thats better than a k3 man
]
;W[em]C[TheClown [2d\]: what is wrong with c3
TheClown [2d\]: ahh
compendium [?\]: did he slam this move down?
evanj [3d\]: haha
TheClown [2d\]: is e5 shape here or f4 
USGO1 [-\]: Nope... so far all just easy and slow stone placements
]
;B[el]
;W[fm]C[TheClown [2d\]: e8 is not my style
LeT63 [-\]: i dont understand w at all
USGO1 [-\]: They both have their game faces on... each one studying the board intently
]
;B[co]C[TheClown [2d\]: i not sure he answer this direct
just9x9 [-\]: is this joseki?
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan leaning on the table on the edge of his seat, and Danny sitting with his legs crossed in the chair
Barnabas [5k\]: there is allways problems when watching games of too strong players.. dont understand half of the game..
]
;W[eo]C[evanj [3d\]: i think this is quasi-joseki at best
evanj [3d\]: very very context-dependent
compendium [?\]: e8 is usually played at around f4
TheClown [2d\]: i not like e8 very much
evanj [3d\]: hm
mate105 [2d\]: will we have the USGO4 board for commentation?
TheClown [2d\]: looks heay - and u like white to push on 4th row
compendium [?\]: with f7 i'd like to play around f4
evanj [3d\]: but e8 c5 combination seems not too bad
evanj [3d\]: so you'd respond to e8 at f4?
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan checks his opponent's time... not much time has passed for either player since the game started (late)
]
;B[ep]C[coarray [-\]: Does Li Jie come?
TheClown [2d\]: perhaps apincer now
TheClown [2d\]: d11
evanj [3d\]: jie li is not there, coarray
evanj [3d\]: really? i wouldn't want to leave an eyeless group in that area
Fizmo [7k\]: e10 looks nice xD
Fizmo [7k\]: if black F8 - it steals shape
hotgo [7k\]: is right above alive?
evanj [3d\]: yes, hotgo
hotgo [7k\]: show me plz thx
TheClown [2d\]: d11 looks fun
hotgo [7k\]: o17
coarray [-\]: Why not Li take part in?
evanj [3d\]: if w o17, b o18; if w o18, b p18
hotgo [7k\]: who can show me the serie if w plays o17?
hotgo [7k\]: and then?
petition [3k\]: this seems really good for b...
TheClown [2d\]: it is probably not  even sente
hotgo [7k\]: dats wut i wanna know
Pyv [5d?\]: petition: luckily it is white's move
Hollumber [2k\]: hotgo...just read it out, help make u stronger :)
hotgo [7k\]: lol
TheClown [2d\]: d10 perhaps
blurb: c7 looks like shape here
guest998: C8?
Pyv [5d?\]: I like D11 too, but I want to help the white group before attacking, haven't found a good move yet
just9x9 [-\]: o17 tenuki p18 q18 o18 s16 r15 s19 alive
Pyv [5d?\]: F8 at the head of 2 stones is funny
evanj [3d\]: that's true, o17 isn't even sente
evanj [3d\]: the move to try to kill is o18
evanj [3d\]: but it doesn't work
petition [3k\]: f8 d10, and i still like b :)
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan takes a stone out of the bowl and places it on the table in front of him
evanj [3d\]: that's the first step towards playing a move
fly [1d\]: ty, USGO
fly [1d\]: Always good to be aware of the action!
Hollumber [2k\]: first step is thinking :P
phong [1k\]: how bout f4
animen08 [7k\]: how about white O19? that should be sente
evanj [3d\]: f4 helps b
ManOfLOL [5k\]: o19?
USGO1 [-\]: he puts it back in the bowl, then...
]
;W[bn]C[USGO1 [-\]: plays it quickly
fly [1d\]: lol
phufool [4k?\]: holy shit
Fizmo [7k\]: of F4 then kikashi at G5 i think
phufool [4k?\]: this is intense
kostuek [3k\]: to surprise us all
ManOfLOL [5k\]: language phufool
]
;B[fo]C[phufool [4k?\]: sorry
evanj [3d\]: b6?!
teach [3d\]: e5 is a mistake
]
;W[fl]C[teach [3d\]: helps b
evanj [3d\]: seems necessary for shape though, no?
fly [1d\]: D8 looks kinda weak now
teach [3d\]: too heavy
hotgo [7k\]: what does w want to get from the chase?
just9x9 [-\]: e5 cares for cut at d6
teach [3d\]: and aji keshi
hotgo [7k\]: chasing
]
;B[cf]C[phong [1k\]: f5 quite a few..
evanj [3d\]: i see what you're saying teach but i don't see another response to c5
teach [3d\]: d7 
hotgo [7k\]: now the fight begins
teach [3d\]: push on ennemy to make "him" heavy
Hollumber [2k\]: white take territory on top? or fight it out?
hotgo [7k\]: w must get in the question is where
]
;W[di]C[hotgo [7k\]: opps
teach [3d\]: now f5 group has solid shape
hotgo [7k\]: two chickens by one hand
Hollumber [2k\]: is black gonna let those stoens go?
rubicon [1d\]: b got a nice result, i like the fuseki for b so far
kostuek [3k\]: f17
hotgo [7k\]: even a two space pincer
spargo [6k\]: cam is moving to fast
]
;B[ef]
;W[fd]C[hotgo [7k\]: u see the ladder?
kostuek [3k\]: well my suggestions too strong for b
fly [1d\]: Is it my imagination, or are things gonna get complicated?
hotgo [7k\]: jetzt gehts los
rubicon [1d\]: they dont seem that complicated to me
Barnabas [5k\]: black tosses e8 stones
]
;B[bd]C[rubicon [1d\]: b16 c17 b11 perhaps
fly [1d\]: "going to get"
USAsia: tenuki
Hollumber [2k\]: i don't think so, barnabas
rubicon [1d\]: he doesnt really toss them, its not easy for w to completely capture them
hotgo [7k\]: sacrifice
Zorba [5d\]: D13 followed by B13
Hollumber [2k\]: it's not sacrificed.... -_-
just9x9 [-\]: hehe hoping for b11 and selling those two stones at high cost
LeT63 [-\]: G14
hotgo [7k\]: bet hollumber?
rubicon [1d\]: d13 
Hollumber [2k\]: white has a high cost, already
hotgo [7k\]: next move r the 2 stones sacrificed
USAsia: the bottom is open
rubicon [1d\]: maybe c17 b11 d13 d14 b12 c12 c11 b13 b10 a12 
]
;W[dg]
;B[df]C[Hollumber [2k\]: how would we bet? lol
]
;W[bg]C[just9x9 [-\]: nice call zorba
fly [1d\]: zorba! you called it!
rubicon [1d\]: yes
Hollumber [2k\]: brilliant
kostuek [3k\]: zorba watch the future
rubicon [1d\]: zorba is just smart
Hollumber [2k\]: zorba is the future
]
;B[cc]C[petition [3k\]: zorba is 5d...
compendium [?\]: b14
rubicon [1d\]: b was hoping for w to answer at c17
hotgo [7k\]: and now b can play e 10 and escape
Zorba [5d\]: b14 yes
Hollumber [2k\]: e10 too early, i would think
Fizmo [7k\]: wasnt it better to play E15 instead of D14 for black?
Hollumber [2k\]: he's gonna leave those, for now, right?
evanj [3d\]: no
rubicon [1d\]: it was still gote for black Fizmo
USGO1 [-\]: Danny gets up and walks over to the coffe/tea table on the other side of the room
hotgo [7k\]: i assume it will be a short game
rubicon [1d\]: that seems unlikely hotgo
Fizmo [7k\]: it all looks too easy for white
hotgo [7k\]: they all play too fast
rubicon [1d\]: its not that easy, e8 has a lot of aji
kostuek [3k\]: w should play k3 and kill the whole bottom
rubicon [1d\]: and f16 stones are weak
patrickn [2k\]: its pretty early in the game to be calling it
hotgo [7k\]: f18 can easy play j18
USAsia: who would you say has the advantage at this point?
compendium [?\]: B
hotgo [7k\]: e 10 is much bigger
USGO1 [-\]: The room is fairly quiet, except for the clacking stones and high pitched clock beeps
petition [3k\]: rain!
hotgo [7k\]: i think w looks very very good
]
;W[be]
;B[bf]C[Pyv [5d?\]: so does black look at the bottom
hotgo [7k\]: 22 points
Neurotrash [8k\]: Who is this Danny USGO speaks of
evanj [3d\]: b
Neurotrash [8k\]: oh, ok. thx
USGO1 [-\]: Dae Hyuk (Danny) Ko
rubicon [1d\]: I was not expecting b15 
rubicon [1d\]: at all
evanj [3d\]: i don't see b15's advantage over b14
rubicon [1d\]: me neither
kostuek [3k\]: b15 is a waste of my life time
Zorba [5d\]: b15 very strange indeed
USGO1 [-\]: a.k.a chunga
]
;W[cd]C[hotgo [7k\]: its for later kos
]
;B[bc]C[pacman1 [3k\]: white was threateing to play there at b 17  
teach [3d\]: just a mistake...
evanj [3d\]: that is a true statement
Burton [6k\]: I believe that Zhou has won major tourneys in the past...So he has perhaps more experience
pacman1 [3k\]: what is a true statement ?
evanj [3d\]: not just a mistake, dude, a move he thought a lot about, and he clearly read b14 as well
Zorba [5d\]: now if A14 it is the kind of move you lose face during 7 generations
pacman1 [3k\]: w b 15
trout [4d\]: people used to play at yahoo should remember id Chungadragon.
kostuek [3k\]: maybe to let d17 looks like sente
trout [4d\]: he used to play for korean team in super go tournament.
]
;W[ce]C[pacman1 [3k\]: kostuek ur right
teach [3d\]: is very easy to get overwhelmed by "Board 1"
kostuek [3k\]: seems not
hotgo [7k\]: better shape for w than before
]
;B[ae]C[USAsia: g14 now
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel Ko beat Yuan Zhou the last time they played in the recent SportAccord event 
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/SAMG/2011/
teach [3d\]: blunders are no big surprise
pacman1 [3k\]: KO !
Neurotrash [8k\]: this is exciting.
Burton [6k\]: I believe that black created two weak groups in white's sphere and threrfore, white will get the better of it for at least a while here
compendium [?\]: these 2 have played at least 3 games 
hotgo [7k\]: d17
compendium [?\]: ko won every time
evanj [3d\]: teach: thanks, but i'm not going to take your word for it that Yuan Zhou's move is a "blunder."
pacman1 [3k\]: teach always wants to teach
pacman1 [3k\]: hes better than 7d in real life hes just sandbagging here
kostuek [3k\]: d18?
kostuek [3k\]: i dont get it
teach [3d\]: I'm just another loudmouth old windbag
]
;W[dc]C[skakalkin [1k\]: g14
pacman1 [3k\]: Thats(!) a true statement :)
]
;B[ge]C[Zorba [5d\]: not far :)
evanj [3d\]: wow g15
hotgo [7k\]: pushing by the 4th line? i read it diffrently
compendium [?\]: b is aiming for e10
hotgo [7k\]: ;)
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan lets out a bit of a sigh
evanj [3d\]: b is aiming for e10
evanj [3d\]: oh, didn't see compendium's comment :D
teach [3d\]: in 25 years of go, some mistakes I've seen and done many time
evanj [3d\]: but i am glad to know he agrees with me
hotgo [7k\]: yes if b get stronger e 10 is very crule
]
;W[fe]
;B[ff]
;W[gf]C[compendium [?\]: wow
teach [3d\]: from bad to worse for white
hotgo [7k\]: so is the e10 prob solved
]
;B[he]C[compendium [?\]: h15
]
;W[gg]
;B[gc]C[hotgo [7k\]: w is not alive
USAsia: uh
evanj [3d\]: w decided he couldn't be submissive, gotta respect that
hotgo [7k\]: !!!
compendium [?\]: is this really teh game?
Hollumber [2k\]: white's gone die
petition [3k\]: can't wait to see white's plan
Hollumber [2k\]: danananana
USGO1 [-\]: did I miss a move?
JohannSan [6k\]: don't be so sure
evanj [3d\]: did you?
patrickn [2k\]: lol
JohannSan [6k\]: 7d is 7d
hotgo [7k\]: the ladder.
goqc [4k\]: lol...
USGO1 [-\]: yep, looks correct so far :)
ZedekBlue [9k\]: o.o
Hollumber [2k\]: i guess he has the cut at h17?
pacman1 [3k\]: teach imagine u are 3k like me... u see a better player making a move think that he makes a mistakes , how do u know that your judgement is true ? the better player might have thought deeper about that move. it might be that u made a mistake judging that move as a mistake ... who knows ?
hotgo [7k\]: i said it sould be a short game
evanj [3d\]: g16 h16 h17 f17
kostuek [3k\]: a16
Fizmo [7k\]: uhuhu white has trouble
pacman1 [3k\]: oh oh 
pacman1 [3k\]: r.i.p `?
LeT63 [-\]: long thinking coming
kostuek [3k\]: fat lady didnt sung yet
patrickn [2k\]: this is complicated
evanj [3d\]: really hope it doesn't end this way after i spent all that time defending yuan's play :P
hotgo [7k\]: j16
pacman1 [3k\]: KO
hotgo [7k\]: nono
evanj [3d\]: any insight, compendium?
patrickn [2k\]: stop saying ko...
pacman1 [3k\]: i read get strong at kibitz
hotgo [7k\]: h15 is not alive too
evanj [3d\]: sure, but h15 is not surrounded
compendium [?\]: its hard to say if w will die here
rubicon [1d\]: evanj, i dont think anyone here can say that w's play was bad
compendium [?\]: but b doesnt need to kill 
Fizmo [7k\]: the problem with the cut is that black F17 is sente
rubicon [1d\]: it doesnt matter how it ends
pacman1 [3k\]: patrickn u shoud study that at senseis
hotgo [7k\]: dats why i say j15
evanj [3d\]: yeah, cut doesn't work
evanj [3d\]: rubi: it's possible to say the push and cut was bad if the result is a big dead group
petition [3k\]: it seems w can live after g16 f17 h17 c18 b18 e18, but that seems good for b...
josek [6k\]: there is viedo for this game?
evanj [3d\]: g16 h16, petition
josek [6k\]: video*
hotgo [7k\]: yes g16 h16 naturly
evanj [3d\]: and w can't cut
evanj [3d\]: soooo
petition [3k\]: sorry, forgot to write that move in
sdvdsvss: any pics from the tourney?
petition [3k\]: g16 h16 f17 
hotgo [7k\]: g16 w lost one freedom is not good
]
;W[fc]
;B[gb]C[rubicon [1d\]: petition, it is better style to play f17 directly
hotgo [7k\]: c16
evanj [3d\]: peti: b can g18 instead of h17
rubicon [1d\]: instead of taking your own liberty
evanj [3d\]: g16 h16 f17 g18
USAsia: if b has to capture it its not that big
Vash3G [-\]: http://www.twitter.com/gocongress to see pics from the congress
erinyes011 [?\]: ko?
]
;W[cb]C[ey [3d\]: ko
evanj [3d\]: that's true
evanj [3d\]: maybe w is gunning for a semeai
USGO1 [-\]: He slams that stone down hard
evanj [3d\]: and swallowing d8 stones large
hotgo [7k\]: ko
Hollumber [2k\]: yep, white gonna die
sdvdsvss: b is out, no semeai
ey [3d\]: two possible kos.  
rubicon [1d\]: w slammed c18 down hard?
Hollumber [2k\]: yes, only ko is possible
]
;B[bb]C[Barnabas [5k\]: so rules say:  Cut ! think later :) at least he plays by the rules..
Zorba [5d\]: seki also possible
ShapeMaker [4k\]: funny rule)
patrickn [2k\]: im sure he thought about this.  a lot.
]
;W[eb]C[hotgo [7k\]: dats why b15 two ko materuial
]
;B[ca]C[Hollumber [2k\]: yes, he could cut, but after h15, he probably has to play h17
rubicon [1d\]: a16 first?
sdvdsvss: no seki b can always E12
Hollumber [2k\]: and if black captures in ladder, white gets sente move elsewehre
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan slams another stone down hard, Daniel responds calmly
]
;W[da]C[sdvdsvss: what daniel
]
;B[db]C[hotgo [7k\]: i hate looking for kos
Burton [6k\]: b
jungyhng: lol usgo
jungyhng: thats funny
jungyhng: xD
Vash3G [-\]: Daniel/Danny = Dae Kyuk Ko
hotgo [7k\]: a16
]
;W[ad]C[AGA7D: yeah
AGA7D: dae hyuk ko goes by daniel 
USGO1 [-\]: Loud clack!
hotgo [7k\]: a13
patrickn [2k\]: psychological warfare 
ZedekBlue [9k\]: Are they playing on kaya boards, or spruce?
evanj [3d\]: a13 b12
patrickn [2k\]: putting those stones down loud
sdvdsvss: what is  bthinking about>?
Fizmo [7k\]: just connect at A14 if anything black can go through with C13
hotgo [7k\]: can w use right above as ko?
Danzo [7k\]: omg
jungyhng: e19 only threat?
evanj [3d\]: hotgo: maybe, although b's s16 sente is very poweful
rubicon [1d\]: there is other stuff on the board...
Zorba [5d\]: w is in a mess
sdvdsvss: e19 interesting
rubicon [1d\]: w could play o18 
rubicon [1d\]: as a threat
sdvdsvss: but unnecessary
hotgo [7k\]: i see another ko by the corner is b is cut
Burton [6k\]: I think i will reread my Zhou books
]
;B[ac]C[dan2dan [1d\]: what are those
]
;W[cb]C[patrickn [2k\]: why not a14?
evanj [3d\]: i think the top right is also ko if b ignores o18
ZedekBlue [9k\]: .
Hollumber [2k\]: just step back, right?
Hollumber [2k\]: b19?
USGO1 [-\]: Danny starts to take, then hesitates, then goes ahead
Diabolus [4k\]: b19 kill
dan2dan [1d\]: who's danny
hotgo [7k\]: right above corber?
josek [6k\]: superko
]
;B[ba]C[hotgo [7k\]: corner?
evanj [3d\]: danny is black
rubicon [1d\]: c13 
patrickn [2k\]: i assume b cant f19
rubicon [1d\]: only move
sdvdsvss: b sounds korean, w chinese, is that correct?
evanj [3d\]: yes
dan2dan [1d\]: wow
dan2dan [1d\]: connect!
jungyhng: this game will over soon
AGA7D: c13
USGO1 [-\]: There... I fixed the name
Hollumber [2k\]: yes, it's a two step ko, right?
evanj [3d\]: thanks usgo1
Hollumber [2k\]: f18 f19?
tamagotchi [8k\]: cant?^^
evanj [3d\]: now what happens after w c13
Diabolus [4k\]: f18 j17 
AGA7D: then black takes ko 
sdvdsvss: "hello i'm Daniel Ko", "hi i'm Steve Sente"
ranin19 [10k\]: w a13?
sameasyou [3d\]: when w f`8 b has to defend the cut at g16
AGA7D: black cant lose the ko because he will be behind in liberties
]
;W[fb]C[evanj [3d\]: true
shinte [4k\]: W no corner? there is a proverb which says, whoever got all 4 corners wins. and a proverb which says the oppsite
rubicon [1d\]: huh???
AGA7D: g16 here 
patrickn [2k\]: no corner no cry
evanj [3d\]: this is sente
rubicon [1d\]: w wants ko for life?
evanj [3d\]: as opposed to what, rub
rubicon [1d\]: ... i guess you're right
rubicon [1d\]: i was just expecting a semeai
hotgo [7k\]: f19 dead?
tamagotchi [8k\]: no.
evanj [3d\]: b can't f19
evanj [3d\]: w will cut
]
;B[jc]C[rubicon [1d\]: i see...
]
;W[fa]C[evanj [3d\]: that connection seems to leave an awful lot of ko threats!
]
;B[db]
;W[gd]C[Burton [6k\]: the zhou book I like best so far is "Understanding How to Play Go", Slate ans Shell, 2000.
]
;B[hd]C[hotgo [7k\]: a13
smogogo [1d\]: why not c13 here for black?
sameasyou [3d\]: yes...b will get something juicy out of it
]
;W[cb]C[evanj [3d\]: c13 may be coming
sdvdsvss: too slow
Burton [6k\]: In that book he explains his reasoning behind EVERY move of 7 games
Diabolus [4k\]: e15 
kostuek [3k\]: b has not enough
shinte [4k\]: e15
madigouf [1d\]: E14 first ?
dan2dan [1d\]: there is a reason for every move in go, burton
madigouf [1d\]: E15
dan2dan [1d\]: dont be surprised
josek [6k\]: the proverbs statate if you lose four corners you lost, and if you secured all four corners you lost, then they are worthless if you are not playing
mate105 [2d\]: no  commentary today?
hotgo [7k\]: i prefer f13
MXHero [3d\]: the proverbs say that, if somebody has all four corners, then w wins
Burton [6k\]: I know but he actially explains his reasoning behind every move of the 7 games
hotgo [7k\]: the ko is still there
]
;B[eh]C[dan2dan [1d\]: hmm. go youtube Catalin Taranu. 
Burton [6k\]: It helped me
rubicon [1d\]: ignore?
hotgo [7k\]: ignore the ko?
jungyhng: w looks like lost
sdvdsvss: w so thin everywhere
Kantarella [6k\]: @burton urgh... $99 at amazon for a used copy
rubicon [1d\]: ignore the threat
Burton [6k\]: I bought the book years ago
hotgo [7k\]: its a long jourmy to say who lose
justdidit [1k\]: josek if you have 4 corners and the center, you win.
sdvdsvss: the proverb: if you have more points, you win
Burton [6k\]: Do not buy it for 99$
hotgo [7k\]: dat happens if i got 90 handies
justdidit [1k\]: and you opponent will have bad face
graemy [2d\]: @Kantarella, it's only 19 at slate and shell
Kantarella [6k\]: kk tx
rubicon [1d\]: 99? ridiculous, should be 9.99
fengyuelai [8k\]: I agree with sdvdsvss
np100 [9k\]: only goes up to 7d?
hotgo [7k\]: w must ignore, b has too many materials
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan shakes his head several time
MXHero [3d\]: i think w has to respond to this
]
;W[db]C[Burton [6k\]: the book is well worth it for 19$
shinte [4k\]: the proverb says, if you have corners, you play on a square board
sasa264 [13k\]: why B not e15 ?
sdvdsvss: could be any polygon, really
ponnuki79 [4k\]: no should be at least 4 corners
Barnabas [5k\]: now e8 might become handy :)
hotgo [7k\]: harvest time for  b
Sonatine [6k\]: CORNER NOT YET ALIVE? NO,
Sonatine [6k\]: ?
smogogo [1d\]: e11
googlebear [3k\]: b has many options
Barnabas [5k\]: pretty much alive with c13
hotgo [7k\]: i prefer e11
sdvdsvss: b need to protect top before attacking
Burton [6k\]: Black lost control by creating two weak groups in white's sphere
sdvdsvss: or attack g13 to protect
MXHero [3d\]: j13?
justdidit [1k\]: c13 is sure life.
googlebear [3k\]: j13  attack and defend
Sandpiper [6k\]: Burton do you mean the book "understanding pro games"?
sdvdsvss: k15 most simple
Sandpiper [6k\]: thats at $4.99 as an iphone app
Burton [6k\]: No i was looking at the book when I gave the info
Sandpiper [6k\]: ah
Sandpiper [6k\]: don't know that one
]
;B[ci]C[USGO1 [-\]: Danny clacks this stone down firmly
sdvdsvss: these stones are made for clacking, and clocking's what they do...
MXHero [3d\]: wow that is a really cool move
Burton [6k\]: That book taught me how disciplined a player had to be in playing what the current board position demanded
Barnabas [5k\]: after c11 lives white needs to invade bottom to win?
Burton [6k\]: rather than the player's current plan
hotgo [7k\]: u must always look the opponent into the eyes , or is not polite i learned
teach [3d\]: can't say much good about this one
hotgo [7k\]: opps w has three un live groups!!!!!!!!!!!!
hotgo [7k\]: even e5 is under attck!
covtxrider [9k\]: but he has magnificent thinkness on the inside
hotgo [7k\]: deep inside
MXHero [3d\]: i maintain that d18 was extremely small
USGO1 [-\]: A few of the games on the lower boards are finishing up
hotgo [7k\]: i said e 10 the whole time for both
ShapeMaker [4k\]: wasn't d18 worth like... 40 pts?
ShapeMaker [4k\]: even a bit more
MXHero [3d\]: it was a ko, and w had internal threats
USGO1 [-\]: Spectators are starting to fill the room as games are completing from the Main Playing room also
MXHero [3d\]: c11 affects the entire board; it's probably worth 40 points too
Pyv [5d?\]: who wants to deal with a picnic ko hanging around though, worth getting rid of it
sdvdsvss: hey easy Pyv, Ko may be a nice guy
hotgo [7k\]: rgis move for w is very very importent, i believe i cant guess
dan2dan [1d\]: would anyone bet on w here?
Pyv [5d?\]: hah
]
;W[nb]C[shinte [4k\]: wow
Kantarella [6k\]: I think w wins
]
;B[ob]C[Burton [6k\]: I will bet on white too
sdvdsvss: w so thin, will need a lot of luck to turn this around
dan2dan [1d\]: i like to believe luck is not a big factor in go, sdvdsvss
sdvdsvss: nice framework though.. a stone here.. two stones there..
]
;W[dh]C[Pyv [5d?\]: it's a pretty complex game still easy to turn around
shinte [4k\]: I love kibitz. 20 moves ago people said the game will soon be over 
MXHero [3d\]: :))
Diabolus [4k\]: b12
]
;B[bh]C[sdvdsvss: nice call
teach [3d\]: hmmm , d10 first I thought
shinte [4k\]: o18 is to split p18 and k17 apart for sure?
hotgo [7k\]: e10
Neurotrash [8k\]: what time settings do they use?
teach [3d\]: w d10 now w gets good position
dan2dan [1d\]: o18 is just using up a forcing move.
]
;W[je]C[hotgo [7k\]: w wants the midddle
vaansama [8k\]: want to kill
]
;B[lb]C[sdvdsvss: w *needs* the middle
shinte [4k\]: well, without corners, he better takes the middle :)
]
;W[mb]C[Burton [6k\]: 25 cents says white kills the entire upper left group
shinte [4k\]: why not black tengen and win?
vaansama [8k\]: tengen!
movingcrab [5k\]: hey Neurotrash - best name i've seen in a while =)
MXHero [3d\]: tengen does not just win, that's why :)
Neurotrash [8k\]: lol... thx, I guess :p
]
;B[ke]C[hotgo [7k\]: who get tengen who wins
sdvdsvss: w far too thin to try any real upset
hotgo [7k\]: usgo what r the two guys doing?
shinte [4k\]: d19 is pretty thick
sdvdsvss: lol ye
MikeGering [?\]: you cant be too thin or too rich
Kantarella [6k\]: lol
covtxrider [9k\]: tell that to amy winehouse
sdvdsvss: who's rich?
]
;W[kd]
;B[jd]
;W[jf]C[palladium [-\]: please focus on the game, covtx
]
;B[ld]C[Kantarella [6k\]: I don't see what w can do with p6
]
;W[kf]C[Kantarella [6k\]: I mean, it will be a small center or what?
]
;B[kc]
;W[me]C[MXHero [3d\]: i think w should have played the l14 atari before connecting at k14
hotgo [7k\]: b already alive?
sdvdsvss: b not playing k15 when i said so was a mistake
MXHero [3d\]: then w would get m17 in sente and b would be weaker
]
;B[ib]C[animen08 [7k\]: I think black can live but white gets ceter?
covtxrider [9k\]: i w thick enough to invade bottom?
sdvdsvss: center not so big, with P6 there
Kantarella [6k\]: ok now d10
Kantarella [6k\]: c*
animen08 [7k\]: center* is big now
]
;W[mo]C[dan2dan [1d\]: so typical
sdvdsvss: a nice thank you move?
dan2dan [1d\]: this move
hotgo [7k\]: d6
MXHero [3d\]: not a thank-you move; w wants to invade the bottom
sdvdsvss: bottom wide open anyway
evanj [3d\]: this is the opposite of a thank you move
MXHero [3d\]: w must think the bottom is bigger than the center
evanj [3d\]: well
evanj [3d\]: he can also leave this after p5
evanj [3d\]: if b palys p5
]
;B[no]C[evanj [3d\]: more of a probe, i guess
MXHero [3d\]: true
dan2dan [1d\]: o5 also typical
MXHero [3d\]: i have not seen this position before, dan2dan :)
ShapeMaker [4k\]: two typical players playing typical go
sdvdsvss: what a typical tournament
hotgo [7k\]: or o6
ShapeMaker [4k\]: and several typical observers making typical comments
Kantarella [6k\]: lol
dan2dan [1d\]: typical trolling
ShapeMaker [4k\]: and typical trolling by ShapeMaker
ShapeMaker [4k\]: haha)
MXHero [3d\]: typical meta-kibitzing, shapemaker! ;)
covtxrider [9k\]: why would black touch the weak stone?
evanj [3d\]: it's not weak
sdvdsvss: to force a continuation
Joa [2k\]: so w cant treat it light?
covtxrider [9k\]: because tof the thickness above?
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan has used half his time, while Daniel has only used 30 mins so far
dan2dan [1d\]: p5 would be gote
MXHero [3d\]: w m4 here?
hotgo [7k\]: its a intruding point
]
;W[mn]C[dan2dan [1d\]: n6 SO typical
MXHero [3d\]: dang, w takes the typical move! hehe
evanj [3d\]: :D
Joa [2k\]: surprise
ShapeMaker [4k\]: waiting for n4 from b?
dan2dan [1d\]: b gonna dive into center, typically
sampo00 [6k\]: heavy!
hotgo [7k\]: ladder?
hotgo [7k\]: k4 is got hurt
]
;B[pl]C[sdvdsvss: k4 is a multi-purpose move on 4th line, it has no feelings
BoomBoom [4k\]: Black must go to the center now
MXHero [3d\]: this game feels like a ticking time bomb
dan2dan [1d\]: so typical.
hotgo [7k\]: game over
BoomBoom [4k\]: not game over
ShapeMaker [4k\]: sdvdsvss, the best explanation of the meaning of 4th line stones :)
]
;W[fh]C[BoomBoom [4k\]: closing center
Sandpiper [6k\]: fixing the ladder 
dan2dan [1d\]: an atypical response! the game heats up at last!
sdvdsvss: lol
]
;B[bl]C[Ootakamoku [1d\]: w b11?
np100 [10k\]: they need a tripod
Ootakamoku [1d\]: oh, nevermind, bad idea, cant read.
]
;W[ck]C[Danzo [7k\]: wow, white is aggressive
sampo00 [6k\]: fighto!
lyt [5k\]: video anywhere?
covtxrider [9k\]: video is lame
]
;B[cl]C[covtxrider [9k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
sampo00 [6k\]: they are having dist fight
lyt [5k\]: thx
ShapeMaker [4k\]: and soon the whole top left b will be one-eyed
sampo00 [6k\]: fist*
ShapeMaker [4k\]: video is so cool
ShapeMaker [4k\]: you can totally see the whole side of the board
np100 [10k\]: bowl is in the way
animen08 [7k\]: not even that
ShapeMaker [4k\]: wait... not even that
animen08 [7k\]: the bowl and clock is in the way
covtxrider [9k\]: what are you watching?  I can see a bowl, a clsock and a couple inches of the board
]
;W[cq]C[hotgo [7k\]: is it at least from the best wood?
np100 [10k\]: white likes to pray alot
ShapeMaker [4k\]: is white white or orange?
np100 [10k\]: white
animen08 [7k\]: and what is that sound?
lyt [5k\]: who's in charge ?  get the camera up good grief
merik [11k\]: hotgo what do you mean by best wood ? kaya?
ShapeMaker [4k\]: makes sense
]
;B[cp]C[covtxrider [9k\]: thank you!
lyt [5k\]: moderator on here?
ShapeMaker [4k\]: thanks
lyt [5k\]: hello?
Kantarella [6k\]: better camera angle
ShapeMaker [4k\]: for video
np100 [10k\]: is this really streaming from a cellphone?
Hollumber [2k\]: what's that annoying sound? like a generator or something?
baltimore [3k\]: my arm gets tired of holdingt it
baltimore [3k\]: theyre cutting the grass
lyt [5k\]: thank you
sdvdsvss: lol
covtxrider [9k\]: must be an earthquake
hotgo [7k\]: g7 ladder!
ShapeMaker [4k\]: nvm, baltimore, don't bother, put it down :)
Kantarella [6k\]: think about the mystics in India who can hold their arms up for years while standing in a river
lyt [5k\]: tripod anyone?
Hollumber [2k\]: kantarella...i don't think they do that >.>
ShapeMaker [4k\]: well... I have one...
]
;W[dn]C[Kantarella [6k\]: they do, I've seen it on TV
ShapeMaker [4k\]: but I'm too far from there
sdvdsvss: it's full of kids around, just use child labour fgs
covtxrider [9k\]: mount it in yuan's head
hotgo [7k\]: die rauche grass beim spielen?
lyt [5k\]: little cameras mounted on the heads of the players so we see exactly what they do would be fun
]
;B[ho]C[ShapeMaker [4k\]: funny-bot?
ShapeMaker [4k\]: awkward...
hotgo [7k\]: is drug good for go?
baltimore [3k\]: tweets mentioning @gocongress will show up on my cellphone screen
lyt [5k\]: go has chemistry it likes
hotgo [7k\]: sorry
lyt [5k\]: some others not so much
ShapeMaker [4k\]: doesn't b need c13 or some move in that area?
hotgo [7k\]: f9 is hard now but b dont need it anymore
kostuek [3k\]: n6 looks lonely
merik [11k\]: c17 group could run into trouble
hotgo [7k\]: just defending and game over
]
;W[cj]C[Burton [6k\]: You can make a tripod with a sock or two partially filled with rice placed on a stool.  the socks allow for accurate positioning of the camera
Kantarella [6k\]: this is the beginning of that trouble
Hollumber [2k\]: burton. genius!!
]
;B[bj]C[Diabolus [4k\]: who is ahead ? 
jungyhng: black
merik [11k\]: i personaly would have aproached at b10
Burton [6k\]: Former photography student;)
TurtleDove [5k\]: the scout
USAsia: too close to call
hotgo [7k\]: now f9 is not possible anymore
Ananda [2k\]: smart trick could be usefull
ShapeMaker [4k\]: c13 a13 b9 a9 a11 b11 a12 ?
ShapeMaker [4k\]: and b is down to one eye
np100 [10k\]: nice piano
baltimore [3k\]: i wanna mount it to the piano tomorrow
merik [11k\]: w need c13 now
]
;W[ej]C[ShapeMaker [4k\]: ah... d10 nvm
merik [11k\]: :(
]
;B[fi]C[sdvdsvss: center shaping up
evanj [3d\]: still two gaping holes
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel clacks that stone down firmly
evanj [3d\]: if b gets n8 i don't know how w wins
rubicon [1d\]: n8 is big
sameasyou [3d\]: where is this US Go Congress taking place this year?
evanj [3d\]: santa barbara, ca
rubicon [1d\]: b can even o8 , no?
sameasyou [3d\]: thanks
baltimore [3k\]: Poll Question... should i walk around the room?
merik [11k\]: l4 is a good gfuture invasion for w
Burton [6k\]: yes
kostuek [3k\]: n4 not enough?
Honjo21ct [1d\]: o8 looks like helping white to make shape
shinte [4k\]: where is W cash?
evanj [3d\]: you should walk over to the campus store, buy a tripod, and charge it to the AGA
]
;W[eg]C[hotgo [7k\]: h7
Damage: Looks like white lost already
TurtleDove [5k\]: yes balti, but too tiring to do it all the time. occasionally
rubicon [1d\]: w can only hope to make a big center, but he must be behind after b saved c8 
Damage: Even if white gets the top
evanj [3d\]: i don't see how w surrounds the center with one move
hotgo [7k\]: b is just defending typical davantage mind
evanj [3d\]: that's the problem with the center
Kantarella [6k\]: how did you even do that? adding a poll in the video stream... amazing
Burton [6k\]: Yes walk around
farmer [4d\]: black n8 good point
sdvdsvss: made me close the stream.. i never click such crap
baltimore [3k\]: Shrug.  There's a button on the cellphone app that says poll
Hollumber [2k\]: what do i think about what?
MXHero [3d\]: where does w expect to make some points?
Onihime [3k\]: Is there a video stream? If yes, can I get the link?
]
;B[bk]C[baltimore [3k\]: 8 yes an 4 no
baltimore [3k\]: eurogotv.com
Hollumber [2k\]: baltimore, what's the question?
lilomar [9k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Diabolus [4k\]: w o9
hotgo [7k\]: b is just defding game over
ShapeMaker [4k\]: where are they geographically?
baltimore [3k\]: low battery, swapping soon
Onihime [3k\]: Thanks
merik [11k\]: w has to know he's behind
ShapeMaker [4k\]: ny?
sdvdsvss: b ends in sente = b wins
covtxrider [9k\]: california
wingnut: Santa Barbara, CA
sameasyou [3d\]: so very close to NY
ShapeMaker [4k\]: :)
Hollumber [2k\]: white can win if he plays two moves in a row..
hotgo [7k\]: i am going to new york for the next days
sdvdsvss: w has to protect r7 like a good boy
LeT63 [-\]: p9
MXHero [3d\]: p9 yeah!
pacman1 [3k\]: p9 is crap
sdvdsvss: p9 leaves bottom helpless
ShapeMaker [4k\]: the whole bottom still looks huge
LeT63 [-\]: :-)
]
;W[jm]C[sameasyou [3d\]: n8 more likely
merik [11k\]: ot enough :(
sameasyou [3d\]: ah....if i only didn't say anything
Damage: p10 
sdvdsvss: r8 enough
Damage: ?
k11go [2d\]: R-8
hotgo [7k\]: n8
sdvdsvss: who cares about 1ps...
k11go [2d\]: LOL
palladium [-\]: please behave sdv
hotgo [7k\]: itsa girl from the name ;)
sdvdsvss: oh, sign me in
farmer [4d\]: it is just 1 point
hotgo [7k\]: i try to grasp some photos from her now wait
sameasyou [3d\]: it seems not so easy for b to win a won game
Kantarella [6k\]: o8
Diabolus [3k\]: w res :/
Damage: p10 
hotgo [7k\]: ladder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
MXHero [3d\]: i'm not totally convinced it was ever a won game
Damage: well white has a big moyo now
sdvdsvss: o8 and center disappears
hotgo [7k\]: m5 ladder lol
sameasyou [3d\]: Maeda sensei said that w has very few chances
Damage: o8 is too small
Diabolus [3k\]: n3 seems big 
sdvdsvss: b winning, he needs solid
]
;B[pj]C[MXHero [3d\]: a won game, to me, is zero chances
hotgo [7k\]: the 2 b stones were for m5 ladder
googlebear [3k\]: aiming n8
sdvdsvss: b so many options... poor w
sameasyou [3d\]: yeah well...there are games where u are only 10 points ahead in the middle game and u know u can;'t lose it...and there are games when u are 30 ahead and u are scared 
koko25 [11k\]: what's with the iphone stream?
iTengen [2k\]: winning a won game is a legitimate skill
hotgo [7k\]: very bad news
iTengen [2k\]: and not a triviality
hotgo [7k\]: she is got married
sameasyou [3d\]: true iTengen
Burton [6k\]: changing phones i think
sdvdsvss: lol hot
sdvdsvss: pics?
covtxrider [9k\]: must be a skill you learn at 3k
ShapeMaker [4k\]: looks like w is toasted
iTengen [2k\]: b has a lot on the bottom: more than w on the right for sure
sameasyou [3d\]: even pro players lose won games
sdvdsvss: yeah catalin does it all the time
iTengen [2k\]: and the middle will surely not be big enough for the qin
MXHero [3d\]: it takes even more control to not think you're winning a game that you actually aren't winning anyway
sameasyou [3d\]: heh
MXHero [3d\]: :)
ShapeMaker [4k\]: about losing won games: 9p self-atari: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt1FvPxmmfE
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel checks his opponent's time  -- W: 46min; B 1:16
kostuek [3k\]: i lose won games and lost games. but i never win lost games
hotgo [7k\]: http://home.51.com/litindejia
thenewmot [-\]: I feel for yuan this is a tough position
animen08 [7k\]: can black make life in bottom left corner? I think yes.
hotgo [7k\]: tintindejia
kostuek [3k\]: black?
MXHero [3d\]: w q9, is it crazy?
merik [11k\]: n4?
sameasyou [3d\]: amazing video...saw it several times already
animen08 [7k\]: W can get the bottom corner if moves first
evanj [3d\]: q9 doesn't seem to do much, does it
ShapeMaker [4k\]: commentary is great (eh, eh, ah, ayayayaya)
merik [11k\]: q9 is a force play
MXHero [3d\]: w could kill the q10 stone, but i guess it hurts the center
TurtleDove [5k\]: to n3 or not to n3 ...
merik [11k\]: i like m3
Honjo21ct [1d\]: white has just big endgame in bottom left, nothing more nothing less
ShapeMaker [4k\]: what does w has in the center? like 40 points?
ShapeMaker [4k\]: maybe 50
evanj [3d\]: depends
ShapeMaker [4k\]: blacks bottom is already 60
kostuek [3k\]: r11 happy?
poirette [2d\]: n3 less urgent than r10 area
LeT63 [-\]: r11
brooklyn [3d\]: wb3 so big
Sandpiper [6k\]: best way to watch the video is pause a frame, and refresh every minute or so
sdvdsvss: b3 massive
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan shakes his head a little and tsks 
merik [11k\]: 08?
int3r [4k\]: USGO1 how much time do they have left?
]
;W[pk]
;B[ok]
;W[qk]C[MXHero [3d\]: yay!
sdvdsvss: hotgo, that links doesnt work
thenewmot [-\]: great
thenewmot [-\]: defend the weakness
Honjo21ct [1d\]: o8 ?
merik [11k\]: p10
LeT63 [-\]: o10
baduk4life [1d\]: q8
kostuek [3k\]: o10 sharp
baduk4life [1d\]: sorry q7
Honjo21ct [1d\]: personally I'd be afraid of the p8 cut, but o10 seems to fix this, doesnt it?
sdvdsvss: pass (to make the game fun again)
merik [11k\]: p8 respond 08 
jchen85 [1d\]: o10 leaves w q11
jchen85 [1d\]: p10 has r14 follows
evanj [3d\]: congrats MxHero :P
evanj [3d\]: still not sure it does much!
MXHero [3d\]: haha lucky guess, and  yes i'm still not convinced
merik [11k\]: mm
Diabolus [3k\]: n9
merik [11k\]: i still lean on p10
sdvdsvss: p8 lets b take bottom
MXHero [3d\]: although it is better than just w r9
evanj [3d\]: true
Honjo21ct [1d\]: p1 is cutable isnt it?
kostuek [3k\]: no
MXHero [3d\]: but there's a long way between r9 and a good move :)
Honjo21ct [1d\]: maybe black should pressure n6 stones
thenewmot [-\]: whites got sente now it's a game the descent puts white closer than he is
evanj [3d\]: p10 may be sente
Diabolus [3k\]: i like n9 
]
;B[ol]C[sdvdsvss: b still has r14 and m14..
evanj [3d\]: hm
evanj [3d\]: must be planning on leaning on n6/k7
evanj [3d\]: i'd prefer p10
]
;W[oj]C[sdvdsvss: no , just wants bottom cleanly
]
;B[nj]C[MXHero [3d\]: seems consistent, but this scares me
evanj [3d\]: even if it gives w a forcing move
]
;W[pi]C[Damage: k7 lost its value
Damage: :D
Diabolus [3k\]: n3 ? 
Damage: n9 
Honjo21ct [1d\]: hmmm is n9 sente against n5 stones?
evanj [3d\]: can't go back to bottom yet
MXHero [3d\]: k7 switched from a moyo move to a protection move, it's still ok
evanj [3d\]: b has to be very interested in L6 now
]
;B[kn]C[iTengen [2k\]: noice
evanj [3d\]: :D
Honjo21ct [1d\]: evanj gosu :3
evanj [3d\]: don't worry, it will never happen again
iTengen [2k\]: evanj 1p
MXHero [3d\]: mx - 1, evanj - 1
evanj [3d\]: grrrrr
kostuek [3k\]: evanj god
sdvdsvss: except i said it too, before p8...
Damage: ur timing was off sdv
Damage: "D
iTengen [2k\]: deal with it bro, you were wrong he was right
sdvdsvss: no, p8 and then l6
sdvdsvss: grrr
]
;W[ml]C[evanj [3d\]: i'd like to thank all the little people that helped me along the way, like sdvdsvss
iTengen [2k\]: lol
TurtleDove [5k\]: lol
Damage: n9 now or is it l7 
]
;B[km]C[evanj [3d\]: has to be l7
Damage: wonder
evanj [3d\]: otherwise l6 is worthless
Honjo21ct [1d\]: n10 ?
iTengen [2k\]: L8 now?
sdvdsvss: as soon as b close off bottom, resign time
Damage: l8 or n10 ?
MXHero [3d\]: cut and pray!
iTengen [2k\]: will O10 be ok??
Damage: does O10 matter??
justdidit [1k\]: of course
Damage: not that much i tink
Damage: think
Honjo21ct [1d\]: what about f9 area, maybe interesting for black later?
evanj [3d\]: o9 is problematized by n7 weakness
evanj [3d\]: because L9 threatens N7
evanj [3d\]: for bl
evanj [3d\]: ack
TurtleDove [5k\]: n10 seems promising
sdvdsvss: b either enter center victoriously or take bottom peacefully
Kantarella [6k\]: yes, I don't see how w can prevent both
evanj [3d\]: yes, b can choose to win by subtraction or addition
evanj [3d\]: miai
evanj [3d\]: tax hikes or spending cuts
kostuek [3k\]: w will win
sdvdsvss: my guess: w take center, then invade bottom
Sandpiper [6k\]: how about L4?
evanj [3d\]: if w wins i will give you one of my cats
evanj [3d\]: much as it pains me to say it, because i am a big fan of yuan zhou
sdvdsvss: cats stink and procreate irresponsibly
kostuek [3k\]: wth should i do with ur cat
furiousgo [1k\]: i love mr zhou's books
evanj [3d\]: that would not be my problem now would it
kostuek [3k\]: give me ur 3d
evanj [3d\]: you can't handle my 3d
evanj [3d\]: Let's focus on the game, please.
Kantarella [6k\]: I just ordered one of those
imtootired [2k\]: i like w herefor
]
;W[kl]
;B[jl]C[imtootired [2k\]:  not resigning yet
teach [3d\]: very hard to hold any side end to end
coldy [-\]: how about the time
evanj [3d\]: well, w still has big yose in the bottom left
imtootired [2k\]: it was just joke 
MXHero [3d\]: m8
justdidit [1k\]: M10 now
justdidit [1k\]: N10
imtootired [2k\]: yeah definitely not over yet. im sure if i Took black here I'd lose no problems :DD
TurtleDove [5k\]: n10 o9  n3
justdidit [1k\]: n3?!
kostuek [3k\]: L9
MXHero [3d\]: n10 is not a sente exchange
justdidit [1k\]: sometmes defense is best
Barnabas [5k\]: i would play n9 as a black..
iTengen [2k\]: it's white's move?
evanj [3d\]: they prefer african-american
Barnabas [5k\]: instead of k8 ..
]
;W[kk]
;B[mk]C[MXHero [3d\]: i really hate l9
Damage: i think white is slowly catching up
Barnabas [5k\]: works still :)
Damage: but.. black has it easy
Damage: j7 
baltimore [3k\]: new batteries for the video
evanj [3d\]: i don't think that at all, damage
Damage: well i dont think black is having any problems
Damage: and white has to do so much
evanj [3d\]: w m7, b n4?
kostuek [3k\]: k6
evanj [3d\]: or maybe n3
evanj [3d\]: k6 induces l5 which allows b to play either m8 or n4
Damage: j7 m8 
Damage: more probably
Damage: ?
Barnabas [5k\]: i would go m11... destroy the center :)
MXHero [3d\]: connecting is too painful now
evanj [3d\]: don't see how w has a choice about m7
evanj [3d\]: maaaaaaybe j7
evanj [3d\]: but that seems very risky
MXHero [3d\]: k3? hehe
TurtleDove [5k\]: L9 was bad
Ilidas [3d\]: k6 might work
evanj [3d\]: K3??!
seeblick [1d\]: w L5 perhaps
imtootired [2k\]: l5?
TurtleDove [5k\]: needs gote now
evanj [3d\]: if w plays k6 b is very happy to play L5
evanj [3d\]: fixes his only weakness
MXHero [3d\]: only half joking about k3
evanj [3d\]: i would be very impressed with you if w played k3 now
]
;W[jn]
;B[ko]C[justdidit [1k\]: yep, k3 working maybe for 3d and lower
Ilidas [3d\]: :P
kostuek [3k\]: .)
MXHero [3d\]: dang
]
;W[lm]C[evanj [3d\]: sorry, he played my move instead. no hard feelings.
evanj [3d\]: oh, wait, no he didn't
]
;B[il]C[evanj [3d\]: hahaha i missed an exchange :P
Angelic: lol
evanj [3d\]: still don't like k6 for w
MXHero [3d\]: hehe we are still tied!
MXHero [3d\]: yeah because now no k3!
MXHero [3d\]: :)
evanj [3d\]: i think w had to keep L5 aji to have any power over b in this area
furiousgo [1k\]: k6 has aji too
kostuek [3k\]: h6
furiousgo [1k\]: h6 don't work
covtxrider [9k\]: w needs to read 'get strong at resigning 2'
ChaoVN [3d\]: H6 work
evanj [3d\]: poor w. i was really rooting for him.
MXHero [3d\]: imo m7 shoould still be m8
evanj [3d\]: how does h6 work
globax [3d\]: d2 ko..
ChaoVN [3d\]: K6 not alive but H6 work
]
;W[io]C[furiousgo [1k\]: how?
justdidit [1k\]: h6 j6...
evanj [3d\]: well, after k6 l5 there doesn't seem to be much advantage to m7 over m8, that's true
SunnyD [2d\]: how big is ko???
imtootired [2k\]: I think if the game ever gets to a positin i would against either of them, they wouold resign before htat happens
imtootired [2k\]: :D
evanj [3d\]: wow
furiousgo [1k\]: interesting
evanj [3d\]: w's last stand?
Trumelunki [4d\]: j6 ?
erinyes022: h6 wouldn't work because of h7
rainonme [?\]: j7..
evanj [3d\]: clearly h6 did not work
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan is signaling the TD to get ready for a lunch break
evanj [3d\]: i bet he is
]
;B[ip]C[Imp20 [3k\]: doesn't k5 kill w there?
YalanDan [2d?\]: is there stream ?
furiousgo [1k\]: yea
iTengen [2k\]: N3 is kinda big or?
evanj [3d\]: n4 is, yes
evanj [3d\]: well, n3 for w, n4 for b
justdidit [1k\]: manybig moves :)
kostuek [3k\]: it didnt connect, but maybe working another way
furiousgo [1k\]: o4 for w?
iTengen [2k\]: it's W's move: you got a better one say it!
evanj [3d\]: n3 is not enough
MXHero [3d\]: w is not safe enough to play h6
SunnyD [2d\]: how much is top prize??
justdidit [1k\]: J100 looks big too
evanj [3d\]: j100?
justdidit [1k\]: J10
evanj [3d\]: that's on board 17
evanj [3d\]: 1d vs. 1k
njs2 [1k\]: ?
Kantarella [6k\]: w has hidden libs at i line
]
;W[hn]
;B[gn]C[covtxrider [9k\]: w whould invade at s19, it would stun b, he can take corner, then make b2b around n8 and win
iTengen [2k\]: what will J10 be good for, when B has two other gaps by which to threaten centre
ChaoVN [3d\]: W looks so bad now
seeblick [1d\]: h6 seemed too awkward for w 
lyt [5k\]: black's game easily it seems . . .
njs2 [1k\]: j9 would be better
njs2 [1k\]: than j10
justdidit [1k\]: J10 attacks w and erase w center sam time
njs2 [1k\]: j9 is better though
]
;W[hl]C[njs2 [1k\]: oh i thought you meant for w
njs2 [1k\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: I don't think the TD got the signal
seeblick [1d\]: w retracting to j9 now, it seems
imtootired [2k\]: hmm :D
Atdawn [2d\]: Difficult for B
ancbo: k10?
Atdawn [2d\]: Or, more like, finding local optimum is difficult
SunnyD [2d\]: Tell one of them to make very loud growling sound to get TD's attention
lyt [5k\]: o12
Angelic: what is td?
covtxrider [9k\]: is h7 only move here?
Hydryad [2d?\]: tournament director, presumably
Angelic: oh
lyt [5k\]: all kinds of other moves
Pookierawr [13k\]: why is h7 bad
googlebear [3k\]: j7
imtootired [2k\]: h7 ko
ancbo: i like k10 move
lyt [5k\]: always exchanging one way or the other
justdidit [1k\]: h7>ko
kostuek [3k\]: just n4
imtootired [2k\]: j7 gote 12 points or something?
ancbo: h7 no ko
ChaoVN [3d\]: H7 no KO
justdidit [1k\]: w can enclose center
USGO1 [-\]: Taking a lunch break...
ofer [1d\]: H7 looks fine. then just conect back and ame for F9 H8
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel will seal this move with the TD
vegmandu [3d\]: What time is it in california?
MXHero [3d\]: how long is lunch?
fly [1d\]: almost noon
googlebear [3k\]: 11 50
USGO1 [-\]: then the players will return at 1pm (pacific)
lyt [5k\]: 11:50
MXHero [3d\]: thanks usgo1
guest998: j13 maybe?
USGO1 [-\]: The players should be returning from lunch in about 10-15 mins
]
;B[hm]C[USGO1 [-\]: Game resumes
rubicon [1d\]: the expected black move
dingliang [3k\]: whit emake ko
Diabolus [3k\]: no
rubicon [1d\]: still, this game looks very bad for white
sameasyou [3d\]: ko?
dingliang [3k\]: k7?
Angelic: ^
sameasyou [3d\]: ah
]
;W[im]C[sameasyou [3d\]: no ko
rubicon [1d\]: even if black cant find a good ko threat after j7, he can simply connect at h7 
]
;B[in]C[Diabolus [3k\]: if g7
]
;W[cg]C[rubicon [1d\]: i mean at g7
]
;B[ag]
;W[hn]C[drau [5k\]: g7 j9 ?
]
;B[ee]C[Diabolus [3k\]: b can kill with g7
]
;W[ed]C[rubicon [1d\]: b has plenty of points if he can reduce in sente and then do n4 
Angelic: is this even important? doesnt b lead anyway?
]
;B[in]C[rubicon [1d\]: yes, b is likely to win
rubicon [1d\]: even if he loses the ko
]
;W[ah]
;B[ai]
;W[hn]C[drau [5k\]: ups ok :)
sampo00 [6k\]: a11 would have given white another threat?
]
;B[fg]C[rubicon [1d\]: no, it wouldnt
puerco [1k\]: you never just "lose" the ko - you should get something back
Honjo21ct [1d\]: hmmm feels like a bad threat
Honjo21ct [1d\]: dunnp
Proffffff [9k\]: f13 bad
rubicon [1d\]: f13 looks fine to me
rubicon [1d\]: the ponnuki is worth a lot
Honjo21ct [1d\]: now w has d15 as threat, too
Proffffff [9k\]: it generate a counter threat
zakatan [3k\]: but gives d15 as a threat
rubicon [1d\]: good point honjo
evanj [3d\]: oh i missed the restart
ekim1989 [10k\]: Ponuki is worth 40 points :P
Amenophis [5k\]: if w wins bottom, b comes from the left
]
;W[gh]
;B[in]C[evanj [3d\]: f13 is a bit problematic... isn't it?
rubicon [1d\]: ah, you are right
zeb: d15 not a threat... b just sacrifice seven stones
rubicon [1d\]: c12 is now a real threat
Honjo21ct [1d\]: well and simply playing g7 isnt enough for black i think
rubicon [1d\]: h17 ?
]
;W[hc]C[rubicon [1d\]: :O
joachim [?\]: D15 might not be big enough
]
;B[ic]
;W[hn]C[RyuuGan [1d\]: f10 ?
]
;B[lk]C[RyuuGan [1d\]: e11 better
]
;W[ll]
;B[in]C[rubicon [1d\]: f10 looks better than e11 to me
evanj [3d\]: d15 is surely not big enough
rubicon [1d\]: w might c12 
]
;W[ga]C[rubicon [1d\]: but that gives b a ko threat :S
evanj [3d\]: if b wins the ko, w's seven stones are floating and b will destroy the center and/or seal the bottom
evanj [3d\]: this is _very_ big
]
;B[hb]
;W[hn]
;B[gm]C[rubicon [1d\]: h9 
rubicon [1d\]: only move
rubicon [1d\]: i think :)
]
;W[hk]C[evanj [3d\]: hmmmmm
rubicon [1d\]: k5 ok?
rubicon [1d\]: but its gote
evanj [3d\]: sort of
evanj [3d\]: i'm so tempted by n4
kostuek [3k\]: b5
rubicon [1d\]: yes n4 is big
]
;B[mp]C[rubicon [1d\]: b wins for sure
rubicon [1d\]: at least 10 points ahead
stoneman [4d\]: hi, USGO1, do you know where to check for tournament results?
evanj [3d\]: can't w live with b3?
ekim1989 [10k\]: you can check on usgo.org
]
;W[dr]C[ekim1989 [10k\]: but there not up yet
Honjo21ct [1d\]: we'll see :)
rubicon [1d\]: i think its another ko
stoneman [4d\]: thanks, ekim
USGO1 [-\]: 2011 North American Masters Tournament results  can be found online at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/112
]
;B[er]C[evanj [3d\]: well ko this way
evanj [3d\]: i thought maybe b3 lived outright
stoneman [4d\]: thanks, USGO1, how about US Open?
USGO1 [-\]: oops, sorry -- wrong link
]
;W[fr]C[animen08 [7k\]: that's what I said by white living bottom lrft
USGO1 [-\]: 102
miammiam [2d\]: B3 lives without ko. 
rubicon [1d\]: w wants to make d3 sente
wolokom [5k\]: what 
domie [2d\]: Rengo 3k-5D, please join my game
rubicon [1d\]: so that he can live with b2 
evanj [3d\]: not the place, domie
USGO1 [-\]: 2011 US Open pairings can be found online at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/102
stoneman [4d\]: thx
evanj [3d\]: d3 being sente isn't enough to live with b2
xio [6k\]: can w gain something there, or just creating ko threat?
]
;B[es]C[miammiam [2d\]: E1 sounds ok 
rubicon [1d\]: it isnt, evan?
rubicon [1d\]: oh, right, because b gets e1
rubicon [1d\]: duh
evanj [3d\]: d3 e3 b2 b4 w is not alive
evanj [3d\]: right
wolokom [5k\]: dont trick your oponent
rubicon [1d\]: so it is ko after all
xio [6k\]: tenuki?
evanj [3d\]: still ko
evanj [3d\]: f2 just made a local threat or two, i guess
miammiam [2d\]: no evanj, dont b2
miammiam [2d\]: but b3 A3
miammiam [2d\]: and alive
rubicon [1d\]: what??
rubicon [1d\]: not at all miam
rubicon [1d\]: d3 e3 b3 b4 a3 a4 b2 c1 d1 b1 a1 a2 ko
erinyes022: e3 f3 d3 g2 d1 f1 b2 and alive
rubicon [1d\]: i dont think so erinyes
litlecolek [1d\]: e3 d3
evanj [3d\]: hm yes
dagec [7d\]: b leading by about 30 points
evanj [3d\]: i agree with erinyes
]
;W[bq]C[rubicon [1d\]: you agree with erinyes?
erinyes022: e3 d3 b2 and b has no answer
evanj [3d\]: well no
]
;B[jo]C[dagec [7d\]: w doesnt have enough just by living the corner..
miammiam [2d\]: playing D3 was the mistake in rubicon variations
miammiam [2d\]: without it, it lives without ko
]
;W[lc]
;B[kb]C[rubicon [1d\]: ah, you are right
miammiam [2d\]: but where white can find more cash now ?
evanj [3d\]: what is m17
USGO1 [-\]: The clock says white has 10 mins basic time left
smogogo [1d\]: why white still playing??
miammiam [2d\]: evanj, why astonished of m17 ? they are beginning yose, no ?
evanj [3d\]: yeah, b still seems up 15 or so
scl: w hopes b make mistake at lower corner later :)
evanj [3d\]: m17 is a ko threat
rubicon [1d\]: isnt o12 big?
miammiam [2d\]: and aji for a cut here ?
evanj [3d\]: what cut?
miammiam [2d\]: hmm i'm not sure of it
gogonuts [4d\]: k18 not needed to live, so wasnt o12 bigger?
scl: i guess when people making a living by playing go, it's not easy to resgin>>>>
evanj [3d\]: looks like a byo yomi move but he's not in byo yomi yet
teach [3d\]: f4 semidori
]
;W[li]C[xio [6k\]: isn't o11 big?
evanj [3d\]: yeah, that's what w needs
evanj [3d\]: although it's not enough
smogogo [1d\]: even if white enclose the center at m11 he loose...
]
;B[in]C[xio [6k\]: ?
xio [6k\]: please resign move?
evanj [3d\]: lets b jump into the center, xio
gogonuts [4d\]: nice test
globax [3d\]: j10
evanj [3d\]: it's sort of sente
sameasyou [3d\]: it is very sente...it can kill the corner or f7
dagec [7d\]: b's looking for a safe win, i think
smogogo [1d\]: o12 for black must be resign move
evanj [3d\]: how so, sameasyou
evanj [3d\]: how does it separate f7 from center
sameasyou [3d\]: k10
evanj [3d\]: that's a devastating move for center territory, but it doesn't kill f7 group
gogonuts [4d\]: o11 biggest?
evanj [3d\]: i think w resigns here
]
;W[ij]C[xio [6k\]: the spirit :)
skakalkin [1k\]: white has something on his mind
kostuek [3k\]: no, w will invade on m2 and win big
]
;B[ni]C[rubicon [1d\]: lol kostuek
miammiam [2d\]: white is at least 20 points behind... and i don't see how it can get less than 20 points behind.
]
;W[nh]C[skakalkin [1k\]: wouldn't o12 be better for b?
Nation [4k\]: would've
rubicon [1d\]: i thought so too skakalkin
USGO1 [-\]: The clock says white has 5 mins basic time left
]
;B[mh]C[smogogo [1d\]: he is 20 point behind if o11 was close...
evanj [3d\]: this works too
Proffffff [9k\]: time to ressign?
xio [6k\]: perhaps now resign
]
;W[ng]
;B[hf]
;W[ig]C[maher140 [4k\]: i count b up by about 26
Angelic: when will the next round of games be played?
evanj [3d\]: it smells like there's a tesuji here
]
;B[ap]C[rubicon [1d\]: a3 
xio [6k\]: unless w makes some crazy invasion around n3, this is over
evanj [3d\]: angelic: NAIM next round starts in 5.5 hours
miammiam [2d\]: evanj, which move and which tesuji ?
Angelic: thanks^^
evanj [3d\]: US Open next round starts in, uh, 19.5 hours
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
Nation [4k\]: Jeez :/
evanj [3d\]: i don't know, i can just smell it
covtxrider [9k\]: e9 sets up litlle snap back
zeb: l10 or thereabouts?
skakalkin [1k\]: do u smell it in center?
evanj [3d\]: L10, J12, something around there
]
;W[bp]C[smogogo [1d\]: we can say that hite is optimistic...
evanj [3d\]: around g8 cut
sameasyou [3d\]: but only 11 hours until the next round in European Go Congress...so we're set...Go around the clock
]
;B[bo]C[evanj [3d\]: something is fishy about w's shape there
sameasyou [3d\]: w alive
evanj [3d\]: if this were my game i'd spend 10 minutes looking for something
evanj [3d\]: but it's not, so i can't be bothered
miammiam [2d\]: white used to have a moyo...
USGO1 [-\]: the clock says 1 min basic time left
]
;W[fq]C[evanj [3d\]: yeeeeeee
]
;B[eq]
;W[fp]C[sameasyou [3d\]: lol
sameasyou [3d\]: awesome!!!
evanj [3d\]: buuuuuuuuh
kostuek [3k\]: k10 looks nice for b
Step [4d\]: b2 
evanj [3d\]: g2?
miammiam [2d\]: which color has which time ?
evanj [3d\]: w is the one low on time
sameasyou [3d\]: g3
]
;B[ao]C[evanj [3d\]: he always is
skakalkin [1k\]: white should resign
evanj [3d\]: he's about to
erinyes022: kostuek - k10 k9 and then ... ?
miammiam [2d\]: and when the time is over, what kind of "canadian" time is it ?
]
;W[an]
;B[gr]C[sameasyou [3d\]: b1
kostuek [3k\]: L10
evanj [3d\]: resign
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel has almost an hour left on his clock
Nation [4k\]: hmm
maher140 [4k\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: White is now in byo-yomi
]
;W[br]C[smogogo [1d\]: funki to see high dan who didn'tlearn to resign
xio [6k\]: all hope lost
evanj [3d\]: not sure what yuan is thinking, this isn't like him
]
;B[fs]
;W[cs]C[evanj [3d\]: that whole nonsense is gote
compendium [?\]: ive never seen him resign before, actually 
]
;B[rd]
;W[qe]C[evanj [3d\]: really??? maybe my impression is out of date
skakalkin [1k\]: maybe he doesnt know how to
Nation [4k\]: Maybe
]
;B[oi]C[evanj [3d\]: it stems from when compendium was about 8 years old
]
;W[mi]C[sampo00 [6k\]: yhere isn't resign button in tournament games
skakalkin [1k\]: true
]
;B[oh]C[evanj [3d\]: b+25 or so?
]
;W[pg]C[miammiam [2d\]: good news, white has at least 4 four points.
evanj [3d\]: 4 four?
]
;B[ph]
;W[qh]
;B[og]C[ZedekBlue [9k\]: White needs to find the divine move!!
]
;W[of]
;B[qg]
;W[pf]C[maher140 [4k\]: wow, it seems like my counting was accurate for once xD
xio [6k\]: bit too late for that
miammiam [2d\]: a lot can still drop, evanj ;-)
smogogo [1d\]: b+30...
k11go [2d\]: b+40
Step [4d\]: q10 r11 r8 s8 s9 s7 s12 s12 r13 
maher140 [4k\]: B+ over 9000?
smogogo [1d\]: 9000 too much i think^^
evanj [3d\]: two s12s in a row there step
maher140 [4k\]: :)
]
;B[ql]
;W[rl]C[HeMan [3d\]: now just S7?
]
;B[rk]C[xio [6k\]: because it is vital point
farmer [4d\]: s9 enough
evanj [3d\]: yup
evanj [3d\]: too much
sameasyou [3d\]: heh
]
;W[rm]C[sameasyou [3d\]: best resign place moment ever and he didn't take it
farmer [4d\]: b has L10
evanj [3d\]: s10
evanj [3d\]: no, not s10
teach [3d\]: w s12 good resign spot
skakalkin [1k\]: s10 r11
calife [4d\]: S14
evanj [3d\]: s12
teach [3d\]: err b
erinyes022: l10 m10 then what?
jrpl: s-11?
skakalkin [1k\]: t13?
miammiam [2d\]: calife, S12 before S14... no ?
]
;B[rj]C[calife [4d\]: yes
ronnyss [3k?\]: s11 or start ko
evanj [3d\]: oh i should have ahd more confidence :(
jrpl: saft and better
smogogo [1d\]: r11
sameasyou [3d\]: s13?
Pottu [2k\]: why not s12 first?
sameasyou [3d\]: or r11 indeed
]
;W[qi]
;B[rh]C[teach [3d\]: is same thing
jrpl: over
calife [4d\]: it's to play in S5
]
;W[rg]
;B[ri]C[evanj [3d\]: yeah why didn't i think this sequence worked... hallucinating
]
;W[qf]
;B[pj]
;W[qg]C[sameasyou [3d\]: t7
Wagaboo [5k\]: and b capture s7  with t7
]
;B[pm]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: yeah that works too
evanj [3d\]: you mean, "that works"
USGO1 [-\]: down to 4 byo-yomi periods
evanj [3d\]: B+R
]
;W[ro]C[xevad [3k\]: when piggybacking goes doesn't go as planned
]
;B[sn]C[Step [4d\]: t6 
evanj [3d\]: oh come on yuan you know this doesn't work
calife [4d\]: c'est fini
jrpl: over
TonyTiger [-\]: yuan really 7d? seems more like 3 kyu
Wagaboo [5k\]: w can't win that semeai
xevad [3k\]: isn't Yuan Zhou the book guy?
evanj [3d\]: yes
calife [4d\]: T8 is fatal
zeb: part book part human
farmer [4d\]: too bookish?
HeMan [3d\]: you can never win a game you resign
Boardwalk [3d\]: tonytiger, you can't tell the difference
USGO1 [-\]: 3 byo-yomi periods
kostuek [3k\]: what is a book guy
]
;W[sk]C[miammiam [2d\]: it s ko
Wagaboo [5k\]: it's a guy who looks like a book
miammiam [2d\]: i dont see the death
maher140 [4k\]: yep, ko
evanj [3d\]: ...
jrpl: free ko
maher140 [4k\]: is all i see at the very least
xevad [3k\]: he has many go books that people seem to really enjoy and find useful
ronnyss [3k?\]: no ko
evanj [3d\]: that's the last thing w needs
]
;B[sj]C[kostuek [3k\]: oh, ok thx
EndgameX [3k\]: o-14,...
zeb: t7?
evanj [3d\]: ko is no better than capture for w
]
;W[rp]
;B[rq]C[miammiam [2d\]: evanj, i dont the capture without ko
evanj [3d\]: it doesn't exist w/ optimal play, miam
USGO1 [-\]: white now only has 2 byo-yomi periods left
]
;W[sm]C[evanj [3d\]: only thing worse than this ko for w is this ko under time pressure
Atdawn [2d\]: T4
]
;B[sl]
;W[rn]C[miammiam [2d\]: ah it is still the game !!!! i thought it was someone analysing
Atdawn [2d\]: ???
Atdawn [2d\]: ????
]
;B[sp]
;W[sk]
;B[hg]C[evanj [3d\]: you have a question?
Atdawn [2d\]: T8 now? Why?
Atdawn [2d\]: Why not T4 first?
ancbo: direct ko
ancbo: better
]
;W[so]C[farmer [4d\]: l10 much better ko threat
]
;B[sq]C[evanj [3d\]: that is w's only threat, really
Ariachi [11k\]: E9
Wagaboo [5k\]: w can threat kill the top right
]
;W[hh]C[covtxrider [9k\]: d15
erinyes022: ... that wasn't a threat ... w still needs to answer h13 ...
Pottu [2k\]: L10 and you lose one point
]
;B[sl]C[evanj [3d\]: sorry, you're right
Wagaboo [5k\]: but...
jrpl: w really need resgin now
erinyes022: how about g3 as threat?
k11go [2d\]: b+40
goren2 [5k\]: s19
covtxrider [9k\]: d15 big threat
skakalkin [1k\]: m4 is a big threat
bestiala [5k\]: m4
evanj [3d\]: m4 loses points
]
;W[lp]C[bestiala [5k\]: ok
evanj [3d\]: guess he's beyond caring
Lake [6k\]: d15 no
]
;B[lo]C[Gilluled [6k\]: G3?
]
;W[sk]C[smogogo [1d\]: l10
USGO1 [-\]: last byo-yomi period
xevad [3k\]: 2 moves in the top right is ko isn't it?
evanj [3d\]: black has a thousand threats
maher140 [4k\]: w wants to lose by time
erinyes022: two moves and b has lots of threats
compendium [?\]: b+time maybe
Wagaboo [5k\]: g8 is fine
ancbo: l10
]
;B[lf]C[hhbb12: very harsh to Daniel at this time
]
;W[le]
;B[sl]C[skakalkin [1k\]: b has more threats now
evanj [3d\]: i don't understand this attitude
]
;W[mq]
;B[np]
;W[sk]C[Wagaboo [5k\]: j12 ?
]
;B[kj]C[Sawako [5k\]: it's like watching a DDK who refuses to resign
farmer [4d\]: w needs two moves to win the ko, b can get  as much in two moves
kostuek [3k\]: invade at m2, told you
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan resigns
kostuek [3k\]: ^^
thenewmot [-\]: finally
Kamuki [14k?\]: >_<
Wagaboo [5k\]: b go into w moyo or kill the stones
xio [6k\]: don't you think it'skinda unapropriate to ctiticize a player 5 times stronger than yourself?
dagec [7d\]: ...
bestiala [5k\]: thx
goren2 [5k\]: not if their play is bad
goren2 [5k\]: you are only as strong as you play
Wagaboo [5k\]: m10 n13 o14 l11 m12 l12 m13 k9 
hhbb12: moyo cheer to
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xevad [3k\]: xio pointing out that it is inappropriate won't prevent the same people who do it.. from doing it every time
Wagaboo [5k\]: so w k9  then b m10 
ikewa [9k\]: so by time?
teach [3d\]: yose ko miracle
ikewa [9k\]: hey
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